At a recent project management class at Portland State University, Tonia McConnell–a great instructor I’ve worked with in other classes–asked me how my meetings were going. Since my first class with Tonia I’ve used Gobby more deliberately in a lot meetings, particularly with the Fedora Board and schedule reviews. I’ve also use it for internal meetings at Red Hat.
Tonia asked me to tell the rest of the class about Gobby. Before explaining Gobby I tried to set the context for my “meeting environment” in Fedora and at Red Hat–how very few of us are in the same physical location and a majority of our meetings happen over the telephone or IRC. The looks on most people’s faces seemed to indicate that my environment was much different than theirs.
It is easy to forget how unusual my work environment is compared to traditional on-site project managers. They like refer to my work environment as “virtual” which strikes me kind of funny, because although it isn’t in person, it still exists. It is true that I don’t:
- Work in an office
- See the people I work with face to face every day
- Work in the same time zone, let alone the same state or country as my co-workers
- Get paid by the same employer as many of the people I work with
Many of the people in the class work at traditional companies managing projects for organizations ranging from local government, private companies and large publicly traded companies. Hearing the horror stories of some of these environments was an excellent reminder of how thankful I am for the people I work.
I explained how Gobby has greatly improved the speed at which I can turn around meeting minutes at the conclusion of a meeting. I particularly enjoyed the strange looks from people who appeared disturbed that I let everyone help with the meeting minutes and consider it beneficial.
Anyone who has taken meeting minutes knows that good minutes often require as much time as the meeting itself and that if you let too much time slip by after the meeting it takes twice as long. In the past it wasn’t unusual for me to take rough notes during a one hour meeting and spend another hour cleaning them up and turning them into something I could post publicly or send to the attendees.
Gobby provides the following benefits:
- People are more engaged and encouraged to pay better attention
- Gobby also has a chat window so people can say things without interrupting others. I’ve seen this be really helpful at some meetings and a distraction at others–too much conversation on other topics was happening in the chat window.
- Other people can help type notes if you are talking or contributing to the meeting
- Other people can correct your spelling mistakes or clarify sections that are confusing
- Everyone is accountable for the meeting minutes because they were present at their creation and have less excuses for coming back later and saying “I didn’t know about that” or “I didn’t agreed with that action item.”
- At the conclusion of the meeting there is very little work for me to do.
I typically wait 10 or 15 minutes (longer if someone requests more time) after the meeting is over before capturing what is in Gobby and adding it to the wiki and sending another copy out as an email with the URL to the wiki version.
I have also used Gobby with great success where larger groups are gathered in a conference room. In this environment I have someone project the gobby session on a screen so that others without laptops can see what is being written and suggest changes if necessary.
See the Fedora wiki for more information on using Fedora’s Gobby instance.
January 20, 2010 at 7:07 am
@John
Yes, it was surprising to me too. If there is one area I think the program at PSU is currently little light on, it is Project Management in a distributed environment. On the other hand, for whatever reason, most people in the audience these courses draw, do not appear to work on distributed teams
@Jay
Thanks for your comment. I’ll check out Etherpad. I added a URL to your comment so people can get to Etherpad easily.
January 5, 2010 at 6:14 am
We used to use Gobby, but are now testing out Etherpad. It’s basically a web version of the same thing. It just went open source about 2 days ago and so far, we’re really liking it.
January 5, 2010 at 6:11 am
I’m surprised that the “virtual” meeting isn’t common. I retired over six years ago now, and for some period before I retired, perhaps 5-7 years, most of my meetings were virtual. I recall working on one project where no two team members were on the same continent. And this was a company that had consolidated into relatively few development locations, although the locations, rather than being random, each had a reason for being.
I worked in a large multinational, and one that was married to software from that Redmond company, so our tool was NetMeeting. But the general form was the same; we talked on the phone and had common documents on NetMeeting. We all had the same software so there was no question of not having PowerPoint or whatever. That model has an advantage over Gobby in that it is graphical. The downside is that it wasn’t as conducive to everyone editing as Gobby. That lure to jump in and make changes is a very valuable feature.
The lack of any sort of graphics, tho, is a big downside. As a recent example, we wasted a lot of time a couple of weeks ago sorting out the schedule because we couldn’t see a Gantt chart. We spent hundreds or thousands of words on what would have been a 5 second discussion with a picture.
And the in-person meeting, at least once, has a great value in building rapport among the members. Even with a globally distributed team, we used to try to make some excuse to get together physically, at least once. Obviously, this can’t happen for every project, but it is a lot easier to buy into someone’s idea when you have had a beer with them. Just human nature I guess. FUDcon provides us with this opportunity, but they are far too rare.
January 5, 2010 at 12:55 am
Ooh. I wonder what their reaction to zodbot would be – and IRC meetings in general, and the fact that nearly all of them are open to the public.